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Improve VDOT from 42 and get to 43 as proven by Race Result(s) or Time Trial(s).

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12/22/12 Revision to the previous 50 Mile sixteen week Ultra Training Schedule.

I am still working out the details on the best way to handle the training and the race.

This revision has 50 miles run weekly (other schedule had seven 65-77 mile weeks)

No B2B Longs on weekends with the new schedule.

Speedwork on Tuesdays still in form of tempo runs, intervals, cruise interval miles or hill work.

Marathon Pace runs on Thursdays.

Race Goal is to get the 50 Miles done in 8:20 at 10:00/mile pace.

First third of race will go out no more than ten percent faster than 10:00/mile pace...so will be running 9:00s.  Will try to hold that for second third of race.  By mile 30, if maintain the 9:00s, then will fade.  30 Miles at 4:30 is the goal.  Last 20 will be done in 3:50 and overall average pace for last 20 can be 11:30/mile. 

Breaking the race down into thirds.  Last five miles or about last hour...just focus on ten minutes at a time.

NOT SURE ABOUT YET:

Walk breaks and pattern 5:1 (run 5 mins, walk 1 minute)?  Run mile, walk minute?

When to start the walk breaks...at very beginning?  After 1-2 hours of running?

How to run the training runs?  Do I do 9:00/miles for all the miles?

Do I run for an hour in training runs and then begin the walk breaks?

Should I train at 50 Mile Ultra Race pace as if I am running the race on race day...or should I run slower than that during training runs?  Not finding a lot of information out there on that.

Just found out a bit about the above: McMillan has my Long Run pace being 8:36/mile to 9:54/mile (based on 3:45 marathon). 

Coach Weber says most ultra marathon running, whether it be training or racing, is done in the aerobic zone that corresponds to 65% to 85% of the maximum heart rate for the athlete.  He identifies six paces within that aerobic range.  For 3:45 marathon, the six gears for Easy pace during ultra marathon training and racing are 8:35 (MP), 8:56 (High Aerobic Pace), 9:18 (Mod Aerobic Pace), 9:39 (Easy Aerobic Pace 3), 9:59 (Easy Aerobic Pace 2) and 10:21/mile (Easy Aerobic Pace 1).  An example workout, per Coach Weber, would be "run for 10 minutes at 9:39/mile (easy aerobic pace 3), then walk for 5 minutes" right from the start repeating this pattern throughout the entire 30 miles.

Finding the above information was very helpful!!

Date Week # Mon Tue (Speed) Wed Thu (MP) Fri Sat Sun Total
12/31/2012 1
10 5 7
20 5 47
1/7/2013 2
10 5 7
12 10 44
1/14/2013 3
7 5 7
22 5 46
1/21/2013 4
6 4 6
14 5 35
1/28/2013 5
9 5 7
24 5 50
2/4/2013 6
7 5 7
18 10 47
2/11/2013 7
6 4 6
14 10 40
2/18/2013 8
10 5 7
24 5 51
2/25/2013 9
7 5 7
18 10 47
3/4/2013 10
6 4 6
14 10 40
3/11/2013 11
7 5 3
31
46
3/18/2013 12
6 4 6
14 5 35
3/25/2013 13
7 5 7
25 5 49
4/1/2013 14
5 5 7
18
35
4/8/2013 15
5
7
10 5 27
4/15/2013 16
4 3 2

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Comments
From Marc Audet on Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 18:06:39 from 24.91.57.116

Hi Pre,

This is starting to look a lot more realistic. Glad you are starting to think about pacing.

I ran 10 miles this past week at a 10:00/mile page and although it was comfortable, I could not imagine doing that again after a 5 minute walk break.

I think one of the biggest challenges will be the head game, visualizing the time spent in motion.

My one concern about your workout is the speed work, 10 miles of it?

You might be better doing slow hill work to build up strength. However, keep researching.

It would be great if you could find someone locally who does this and meet him/her and review your training plan.

You are being smart about this, doing some planning, keep at it!

From PRE on Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 19:29:56 from 99.50.213.11

Hey Marc,

How are you doing? Regarding local Ultra Marathon runners, good suggestion. I imagine a lot of Shoreline Sharks do ultra marathons so I will ask Clint about that.

Regarding the Tuesday speedwork, I wouldn't be doing the entire workout at speed...either 20 minute tempo run, half mile repeats or ladders up to 5000 meters total at speed. The before and after miles would be Easy.

Regarding the 30 mile run, I did not outline it correctly in my original post...Coach Weber gives the example workout as "run for 10 minutes at 9:39/mile (easy aerobic pace 3), then walk for 5 minutes" right from the start repeating this pattern throughout the entire 30 miles. But I am not so sure about an entire 5 minutes of walking.

I think I am making some significant gains in identifying how to tackle this training and racing!

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